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    June 30, 2008

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    Justin

    Aha... hahah...

    What a problem.

    I think part of the problem that you're talking about (space, bodies, presence, et al.) is that, while we can adjust our understanding of what it means to be somewhere, such that being somewhere can involve attention being tunneled over the internet, we can't quite yet forget our bodies. And I think this happens for a few reasons, but most significantly being the fact that whenever we strap on a VR headset and see the lady in the red dress dancing about the sunlit room, we reach out to hug her (if we're so lucky), and are obviously stimied. What's this say? Well, we can project our consciousness through cyberspace such that we're attending to other people in a net meeting, whatever, but for at least today and tomorrow we're going to generally have to recognize that our butt's are absolutely in the chair; physicality is as liberating as it is restricting, right? We can get up and move somewhere to greet a friend, but being able to do as much causes us to actually WANT to get up and do that....and the technology to let us satisfy a physically induced need (by virtue of actually having a body) for physical contact, without actually using our physical bodies, just isn't there, yet.

    Can you imagine what that technology would be like? A simulation so real that you are no longer aware that you're IN the simulation? The simulator body is the REAL body, and the outside, analog world ceases to exist. I think that's the extreme we would have to go to to fulfill a desire for connectedness, that need for presence, without actually travelling physically somewhere. And then what? Do people trust others enough these days to put them in charge of their simulation? Can we pay people to do that? Utopia or distopia? Truman show meets the matrix?

    colin

    Justin,

    Thanks for the very juicy comment! You've hit upon a number of interesting issues.

    First, yes I think you're right that having some kind of tactile involvement in VR would make people feel more "present." Funny story: some weeks ago, we set up a demonstration for a colleague of mine who looks at how different kinds of social transactions take place in offices. She was interested in thinking about whether she could do experiments in virtual offices. In the demo, we had a fairly bland office setting with a somewhat disheveled and disturbed looking virtual man who sat on a couch and watched her as she walked about the room. When she approached him, she reached out a hand towards him. On a whim, I put my own hand roughly where his would be to simulate skin contact. She yelped and startled so dramatically that both feet left the ground.

    Second, though, I think we know enough about how this technology works to know that there are different degrees of this kind of presence and you can get it sometimes with fairly low-tech arrangements. A student of mine pointed out that in some ways it may not be that different to immersion in a good novel -- also very transporting.

    Third, interesting that you've suggested that we'll probably always know the difference between real and virtual settings. I agree. It isn't very likely, in the foreseeable future, that we'll have a true Matrix where it will be possible to become confused about what is real at an explicit conscious level. Yet in our lab we see some shades of this. I may know I'm in a simulation, but I still duck to avoid hitting my head on pixels, feel vertiginous at the top of a flight of stairs, or sweat if you put me on a roller coaster. In a visceral sense, I AM there, and I find it hard to think that these kinds of experiences aren't an important part of what we're seeking when we transport our bodies. It's about feeling, right?

    Your last point about trust is interesting. When we use telepresence for business meetings, how do we know that our own movements, expressions and utterances are being faithfully sent down the wire? And how do we know that's what we're getting back? There's much more to be said about all of this. I'll save it for a future post.

    Justin

    .. then I will certainly check back.

    You've sent me for a loop by reminding me how immersive books can be, and how 'low-tech' they really are. I'm slightly more inclined now to believe that we'll at some point replace most actual travel with the digital kind.

    My first venture will be to project myself as Arnold Schwarzenegger as shown in the film total recall, just to try and crash the hardware... :P

    colin

    I'm glad you'll be back and I'll try to make it worth the trip.

    To be clear, I'm not so much talking about improvements to the technology (though these will make a difference) as changes in how we see ourselves. The technology to transport awareness is still relatively new -- even the telephone -- and at the level of everyday usage I don't think we've really factored in all the implications of the fact that we are mentally capable of coping with such devices.

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